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;) Their are people who will help and motivate you if you seek them just as there are people who will be happy to drag you down if you let them. He'd lose his train of thought and numerous times the Judge would ask him to put things in ways that could be understood because he didn't have a clue what Irving was on about. Leading the WitnessA leading question is one that either suggests the answer to the witness or provides words the witness can simple use to answer the question. If Kanarek had handled this properly they never would have heard it. Not only that, she said she had to go get it from Squeaky and Charlie, if it were not true, would he have remained quiet about it ? Linda wanted to patch things up and therefore went to Los Angeles. All is good. Before Tate-LaBianca She attended Milford High School in Milford, New Hampshire in 1964 and 1965. After the trials, Linda escaped the public eye by going back to New Hampshire. She droved straight to New Mexico, where her husband was living with another woman. But she testified against great danger. But you know, there may well be someone in this world that could say the same about any one of us. Of course he knew from the start the jury would question this. She is currently sixty nine years old. Man, that got ugly in a hurry. She witnessed Charles "Tex" Watson shoot and kill Steven Parent as he was trying to exit the property. To cover up that that tried, but failed to kill some other guy or.to keep Straight Satans out of it? Bob was living in Topanga Canyon with a man named Charles Melton. Ruth's Mum wasn't in agreement with Dean and his changes. Thanks DREATH for a great expose on Linda. Drugs, broken home sense of abandonment by her parents. After they are convicted they need to embrace the official narrative or they don't get outYet the reality is that Bobby Beausoleil, Pat Krenwinkel, Charles Watson, Bruce Davis, Susan Atkins and Leslie Van Houten have all subsequently deviated from the official record. His closing argument, like the closing argument of any attorney, is just that 'argument'. The family often had financial difficulties because of her father's low income. For example where Manson Mythos said:while he [Charlie] is no angel, I don't think he is all bad.So he does have redeeming qualities and a good side as well I agree with him there. Manson Mythos saidVincent Bugliosi said the only reason Linda went along on those two nights, is because she was the only one out of the group with a valid driver's licenseHe never actually said that. Atkins herself made that point in "The Myth" Furthermore, Charlie was never charged with attempted murder for any of the other incidents on LaBianca night. Short answer: no, Kanareks endless objections allowed Bugliosi to get in statements he should not have. Grim, I read Col Scott's piece when putting this together because I found something that led me there- might have been googling Fleischman. Did YOU ever THINK "What was HE doing up there?" Member of the Manson Family (born 1949) Add links. And more than any other witness, Linda Kasabian's testimony helped convict Charles "Tex" Watson, Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel, Leslie Van Houten, and Charles Manson. She was the angel in a group of murderous devils. Susan's deal was that nothing she said could be used against any of her co~defendants and there was no evidence that Linda had been along on either night.Atkins claimed that the prosecution steered her into recanting but it was she who kept insisting on seeing Charlie, after which, she recanted.One wonders how he would have spun Sadie if he needed her instead of turning this obvious piece of trash into a little angel? Especially against a man you think is Jesus Christ.I fully believe the tape with Marvin Part was a hogwash act in order to plead not guilty by reason's of insanity. Later, Robert Kasabian contacted Linda and invited her to meet him in Los Angeles. Meanwhile, the ranch was raided and everyone was arrested on auto theft charges. Manson himself went inside and tied the victims and then left along with her and few others instructing the rest of the family members to kill them. It had to be her DL and it was rejected due to being expired it.This supports the copy cat motive. But telling Charlie "You drive" and "I'm not you Charlie" was OK? Remember, she too was indicted following the Grand Jury. George Stimson reckons it was because she owed him, after Charlie had protected her from her husband and Charles Melton when they came to get their $5000 back. It must be time for a break. Which has always left it an open ended mystery as to what Charlie told him. But I do think that atmosphere at the time contributed to the events. When I put this thing together while the high school stuff was fun, for me the heart of the matter was the 'Odyssey' article. It was mentioned but the actual 'only two who had one' argument to explain why Kasabian was sent was made at the Watson trial. A car accident left Linda mildly disabled, and unable to work. Ask yourself: if her story is not accurate why didn't she just tell the truth? "It's a different world and it's not even the same ocean." There is some fiddling and fuddling around the issue, all three men clarify that it was to be so but none of them ever push Susan or Leslie on it because the 2nd death squad didn't actually do anything. When her second marriage started to deteriorate, the article stated that Linda and Tanya moved back to New Hampshire to live with Joyce. Stuff that made her look like everything from a slag to a thief to a patient suffering from some form of mental illness to an unfit Mum to a junkie stealing from her Dad. Yes, if you stop at the Grand Jury he has no case against Kasabian as it's inadmissible and/or it was all he had. They were both into really wild shit long before meeting Charlie. Nothing new. But1. You can barely hear the dialogue and the transcript is full of "(Unintelligible)" and there are things she actually says that are not written in the transcript. Kids who got in trouble in school and did not finish high school- and most of them don't go on to become murderers. Linda grew up in the New England town of Milford, New Hampshire. Why ?Lo' and be hold, Bugliosi had a perfect scenario to answer this very important questionYou make it sound like he made it up ! Nothing devious. You plays the game, you takes your chances. It's no wonder her Mum was in despair.Linda showed amazing strength and guts to testify in the trials that she did but I don't think it's unfair to suggest that when it came to actual life and real living, she was one of the worst adverts for the counterculture and to some extent, gives the establishment their own justification for trying to pick apart the movement of those heady times. Sort of a before and after. Linda married Robert Peasley when she was only sixteen-years-old. or is that just my imaginationrunning away with me. Even if she was alone for as long as 2 or 3 minutes, a pregnant, tied, tired, scared {described by Atkins as "going out of her mind"} Sharon wasn't The Fugitive on TV who would take the first possible opportunity to effect escape.From the confusion that all of the perps have spoken of that night, what I've gleaned is that we have all the details of what happened at Cielo but the order of events has never been clear after Jay was shot. On August 11, 1969, Manson instructed Linda to bring a message to the jailed Sandy Good, Mary Brunner, and Bobby Beausoleil. Both accused of being racists who will spark a race war. After the bulk of her testifying, the judge was petitioned and he signed the papers.How does Linda represent the "Human" side of the Manson story?? Your Resource for the Tate-LaBianca (TLB) Murders. MM, Thank you on the PK- I didn't recall her saying it was but didn't know.I think you have to be a bit careful. The charges against her were dropped when she agreed to attend a drug counselling session. I would say roughly around midnight. But a vote for a real mass murderer like Clinton is the better choice. Her background should have had a greater impact. I don't like that Martin Luther King was supposedly caught on tape cheating on his wife but even if true, it wouldn't invalidate some of the good things he did. Fleischmann's words are logical. No screaming for it to stop, etcThat would possibly be because at the time Kasabian asked for it to be stopped, Pat was inside struggling with Folger or chasing her through Tate's bedroom out to the pool. Their efforts to improve their relationship proved futile. How about asking Mr. Peaslee why he wanted a divorce based on her endangering his mental or physical health. Well done. She admits to getting into the car and being struck by the body being there but the spirit not. Even Susan who, if Bobby and Tex are to be believed, never killed anyone by her hand, was involved in murder directly.Secondly, a trip to see the Straight Satans directly after leaving LaBianca could have destroyed the entire Helter Skelter cover storyYou have two interesting obsessions running side by side, that HS is a fiction and that the Straight Satans were somehow involved in all this.Bugliosi would want that covered up and it was easy for him to do soIn various guises, you've implied that Bugliosi was covering up something he knew to be true. Linda probably came from a home where she was ignored, and didn't have much direction or discipline, hence her making extremely poor choices in life, even as recent as 1997. She chose to be the way she wasBut not in a vacuum. Bugliosi said. They had a second child together, and Robert Kasabian left for South America. It was not bizarre. They were to be the vanguard the race war. ?It is very possible and probable that there was other reasons for those crimes and those two houses. YOu can say she is certainly flawed, self-destructive, has terrible judgement and suchbut applying terms like good and bad just distorts any understanding of the whole shebang. She kept away from media attention except for once when she agreed to do an interview for an American television program A Current Affair in 1988. Better yet how about asking Dr. Galloway? When he then asks "do you mean 3 a.m. or midnight" he's leading the witness. It is an interesting piece especially given the Odyssey piece. She was one of the earliest to actually begin the process of putting flesh on Skelter's bones. Damn that clock radio. But if he did use Helter Skleter to motivate the others to do the crimes for him, and those who actually did the killing- thought they were doing it in the name of Helter Skleter.Which is the real motive? I thought this one was DebS !Your posts are generally good thought provokers. And some members of the killer's families such as Leslie's dad or one of Tex's siblings might have lived for years haunted by what someone they loved was capable of doing.My original point in the above post was just to say that old cliche of being impossible to judge a person or situation unless you walk a mile in their shoes. Don't post that when I'm taking a drink of beer. At the age of sixteen, she married but it ended in a divorce. I don't read her responding, "no, its ok I'll testify anyway". It Gets Charlie off the hookWhile getting Charlie off the hook may be paramount for "Charlie supporters" I've found piles more people who are not Charlie supporters, indeed, people who can't stand him or that think he's a shitbag and are quite happy for him to remain in or die in jail, that believe that HS is wrong.In fact, far more people think it's wrong than do, in my on line experience. In fact, his case is better against her then Van Houten at that pointAccording to his book, nothing said in the grand jury could be used against Atkins and nothing she said could be used against her co defendants. In my opinion then and only then does the 'immunity' award begin to raise doubts in the minds of the jurors regarding her credibility. The three were instructed to kill an actor that once picked Kasabian up hitchhiking. On a different note: RH- nice post. Does this not happen in many, many court cases ? But the people who count are the ones who did the crime. But now and again one does sort of let something out that is interesting. She said on that tape she wasn't afraid of getting busted because what she did was right and had to be done. Another interesting point: Kasabian never said the motive was Helter Skelter. That's why she denied any knowledge of the LaBianca murders, but accidentally slipped up and supplied information helpful with Tate. Manson's Lost Girls: Directed by Leslie Libman. She answered the follow up question and confirmed her understanding of the arrival time. "We'd got the indictments. Funny how his client shortly after turned out to be the best evidence against him. Only the main core of 20 to 30 stayed consistently. LINDA KASABIAN Wally Fong/AP; Bill Hudson/AP THEN After two failed marriages and the birth of her daughter Tanya, Kasabian, 20, joined Manson's commune at Spahn Ranch in July 1969. But that's a subjective judgement. Plus Tex's born-again act just comes across as to smarmy and sanctimonious. In late 1996 Linda and one of her daughters were arrested in a police raid which uncovered some drugs and a gun. Sandy Good said that on a talk show she was on with George and Patti and I think Bugs might have been there too.Thanks though. All is goodI do believe she was largely accurate for the parts that mattered. She let the cat out of the bag about so many other things. So to me even if there is more to the story- the actual motive = the actual reason they went over and killed. We don't know you wouldn't strangle a Granny or torch a house while it's occupants are asleep.We don't know she didn't take part in acts of violence. She's the better alternative to a man who says "mean things".I will say Donald Trump and Manson are very similar. Manson Mythos saidThe recent revelation of the close proximity of the apartment where Saladin Nader allegedly lived and the HQ of the Straight Satans is something that cannot be dismissed as pure CoincidenceOf course it can !In a city where different Family members had various dealings, if some of those places were near each other, what is unusual about that ? In late June of 1969, she attempted a reconciliation with. Her most interesting revelation on it came actually during the Watson trial, when HS is not emphasized the way it was in the TLB trial. She participated in terrible crimes, and then left her child with the people who she knew committed them.Then she flipped on those people too.Who could trust Linda? Uh oh, not being a 'motive guy' I best stay out of this. In 1996, along with her daughter, she was arrested for drugs and gun possession. That's what makes this incident get a 'don't make no sense' label from me. AND were there NOT enough "pigs" in Chatsworth ? :-), "When they go low- I get high"or something like that lol. Besides the motives of Manson's passion for violent death and his extreme anti-establishment state of mind, the evidence in this trial will show that there was a further motive for these murders." By his closing argument, he calls it the main and principle one ! Or was she there to cheek, or kester the comatose, old duff's meds? And there are events that logically it seems she had to see that she says she didn't. He is expressing his opinion just like RH, me, you, Saint, etc. Even though she was present at both the Tate and LaBianca murders, because she was the key witness in District Attorney Vincent Bugliosi's prosecution of Charles Manson and his followers for the 1969 killings, Kasabian received immunity. People who developed life long drinking and smoking weeds habbits as 15 and 16 year old's with no steady parental influence. I have also enjoyed all of the comments related to this postlove all of the insights. Because her fashions were different. I think goofy's comments about 'being at war' and 'casualties of war' are interesting. var part1 = "matt"; Oh and I don't think the events are clear long before Jay Sebring is shot. She answered the question. Linda Kasabian was born Linda Drouin on June 21, 1949 in Biddeford, Maine. St Circumstance saidBut not Linda. To me, it was just what was happening as I went through it.As for there being alternative possibilities, that's rather like saying there was a Wednesday last week. Her parents divorced and remarried when Linda was still young. It's always the Charlie supporters who make those statements and spread those stories about other motivesDuring one of her parole hearings, Pat did make a statement about "the two women in the house" which some have picked up and conflated with the "Sharon wasn't supposed to be there" red herring. "Who was watching Sharon Tate?Opinion: "That just don't make no sense". By 1980 50% of marriages had/were ending in divorce. look at there high school pics- they had the same kid of background as me lol. So what's your point ? It means nothing moreExcept that his 'opinion' was that of the prosecutor that went towards the securing of the conviction. So that's who I listen to. I do feel in those cases- had they gone along those nights I would still put them away- but I could get the understanding after all these years of why people would feel bad for them.By the way ever see what Ruth ended up looking like as an adult? Even her Mum acknowledged that.Don't waste your tears for Linda and LeslieI'm a human being, St. The argument was not made at the Manson et al trial. Linda basically went through a couple of year speed bump in the Big picture. Welcome Dreath and thank you. But what happened before and after that. Here is an example. Low level of intelligence: Thinking a heavily funded (by much richer and evil "white men" than Trump) warmongering globalist who overthrows other country with aggressive "intervention" while hiding behind noble motives is a leftist savior. Excellent work by Dreath here. I think what might have happened with Atkins instead of Kasabian is you might not be talking as much about Helter Skelter as a motive. PS: according to her cross examination at the Watson trial she was also arrested in Haight-Ashbury in 1967. But neither emerged in a vacuum. Dreath saidThat's what makes this incident get a 'don't make no sense' label from meIt made sense to me. It's doubtful she would have gotten a California license simply because she had no permanent address and moved around a lot, even from state to state. I wonder if he and Fleischmann were on friendly terms.. Saint, If you are referring to that post above, I think that is entirely consistent with HS. That's the point lol. She was granted full immunity from prosecution in exchange for 18 days of testimony. For Susan it was over relatively quickly so Sharon being left alone for a short space of time may not be as relevant as you imply it is. And even during that phase, they tried to paint her as the mastermind, but no one even attempted to say she killed anyone. Her marriage later fell apart. With Mackenzie Mauzy, Eden Brolin, Grace Victoria Cox, Greer Grammer. ME thinks there might be a REAL story there. So even if Kasabian was a Hippy, when pared down to essentials, Hippiedom was hardly presented as an advert for something wholesome. Now is the time + (2.) That is cover something up, replace it with something dramatic to help my caseI guess there's absolutely no possibility whatsoever that her story was true.Why would any lawyer not want to help their case ?Bug said Linda wasn't involved in any trouble prior to being at Spahn, yet he forgets she did admit to dealing drugs Did he actually say that ? I love Bill Kurtis, just the way he would say "body" (somewhere between body and buddy, so I can imagine his pronunciation of Linda's last name would be intriguing. Dreath saidI think what might have happened with Atkins instead of Kasabian is you might not be talking as much about Helter Skelter as a motivePossibly. 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